„Wait, Is This a romantic date?“ Podcast Episode 102: The Chart | Autostraddle

Recently on „hold off, Is it a romantic date?“ we are joined by Autostraddle CEO and

L Term

specialist
Riese Bernard
to go over: The Chart. That is right! This event is about lesbian interconnectivity — starting up with buddies’ exes, pals setting up with these exes, additionally the society developed by everything crisis.

Appear for all the news, remain the emotional control. And before that enjoy a casino game that tests Christina’s boundaries: Would U-Haul? (Spoiler alert: she usually will never.)

Thank you for all the great opinions after the premier! When you haven’t however start thinking about providing us with a rating or examine!

PROGRAM NOTES

+ 5 years ago Riese assembled an
Old Hollywood chart
that is the intersection of all my interests.

+ Discover
the essay
We reference where We mention starting up with my roommates.

+ My personal crush of this week Mj Rodriguez circulated a songs video on her track
„something you should state“
!

+ As someone who has just seen some periods of

The Nanny

this montage
of Christina’s crush regarding the few days C.C. Babcock had been stunning to me whenever it proved she and Niles are not both homosexual. (Christina tells me they essentially nonetheless tend to be.)

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Drew:

I would end up being extremely fine along with it present. I might never ever include somebody else without their own authorization. However the thought of everytime some body was like, „make sure you’re attached to me personally,“ I would end up like, „Yeah, this is the existence i have lived. I do not care about.“ Usually odd? Would be that problematic?

Christina:

No, as if I becamen’t, I would feel poor not-being. I would personally be like, „hold off, I’m not sleeping?“

Theme song plays

Drew:

Hi, I Am Drew.

Christina:

Hi, I’m Christina.

Drew:

And thank you for visiting

Wait, Is This A Night Out Together?

Christina:


Hold Off, So Is This A Date?

is actually an Autostraddle podcast asking the big concerns. First of all, would it be a date? Just what are times? That dates? Do we like times? These represent the type questions that people address about right here very specialist and beautiful podcast.

Drew:

I’m Drew Gregory. I’m an author at Autostraddle and a filmmaker and, famously, a trans lesbian.

Christina:

I am Christina Tucker. I am also a writer at Autostraddle. I will be a loud queer on the internet. I will be improving at describing me as an author and, famously, a lesbian. That’s you. That is which the audience is.

Drew:

Yeah. And so our main topic this week may be the Chart.

Christina:

I recently believed it needed a sting. I am not sure. That thought truly remarkable, but i believe it required it.

Drew:

Yes. No, please, kindly, please. Thanks a lot, thanks. No, no, no. The right quantity of crisis.

Christina:

Thank you so much.

Drew:

Yeah. Therefore we’re speaking about lesbian interconnectivity.

Christina:

I like that phrase since it seems like you ought to resume the lesbians. It sounds like the connection to the internet is not operating.

Drew:

Yes. it is rather higher level, really futuristic, but also has been in existence since there’s been lesbians, i believe.

Christina:

Yeah. I think scholars would state as soon as they found 1st lesbian fossils, they found a chart alongside of those created to the sand. And that I believe’s exactly what that flick is focused on, proper? It is more about the chart? That motion picture with Kate Winslet as well as the mud fossils?

Drew:


Ammonite?

Christina:

Yeah, that’s what it is more about.

Drew:

If only

Ammonite

involved cave females. I’d see that lesbian motion picture.

Christina:

Really, when I have not seen it, i’ll courageously declare that it actually was. Cool.

Drew:

Yeah. Since it is like we have so many lesbian duration pieces, but we have never ever gone right back that much. And I also think it’s time we carry out.

Christina:

Let’s just hold taking it further back in its history.

Drew:

Before we become to our primary subject, you are still getting to know all of us. And I thought that it could be fun to experience a-game the place you men could actually analyze Christina. Thus all of our icebreaker for this week is just a little game that I name „Would U-Haul.“

Christina:

I am, once again, very stressed concerning this. This may just be just how I come into the online game. This could be my personal online game mentality, just a little high key, a tiny bit stressed. That is fine. We are all understanding.

Drew:

I believe which is fantastic. I think that’ll push you to be more susceptible, possibly.

Christina:

Certainly the best thoughts.

Drew:

Just a terror, just a serious terror. So the manner in which „Would U-Haul“ works is i’ll explain a situation. Let us call it Christina lover fiction. And that I’m browsing pause after each and every small section becoming want, „Okay, Christina, I know that you have never resided with a partner, don’t want to live with somebody. But under these circumstances, would U-Haul?“

Christina:

And I also will possibly state yes or I’ll state, „I’m all set.“

Drew:

If you do not — really, we are going to see here. But i am excited. I do believe i have possibly damaged the code.

Christina:

You’ve damaged the rule? I am excited.

Drew:

Let us see how very long this requires. Assuming you never do, I think you victory? I am not sure how you will find champions right here.

Christina:

I am not sure that there are champions when you look at the online game of U-Hauling.

Drew:

Really, I don’t know should you decide’ll go along with that following this. Thus I’m going to get going.

Christina:

Reasonable enough.

Drew:

Okay. Thus, Christina.

Christina:

Drew.

Drew:

You are at your pal’s wedding. Despite the plethora of romcoms you have consumed, you probably did maybe not choose this wedding ceremony thinking you’d fulfill any individual because, really, this is not a romcom. This is actually the genuine and typical longevity of Christina Grace Tucker. You are taking your own designated chair and they are glancing at your phone once you understand a woman at your dining table is looking at you. She introduces herself as your pal’s previous baby sitter. She’s stayed a pal of the family members, but she doesn’t truly know anyone there. She appears like mid-forties and contains a striking angular face. You start talking. She proposes to enable you to get a drink. When she rises, you realize she’s six foot tall, 6′ 3″ in pumps. So that you know what? I’m only gonna hold on there and be want, at this stage, would U-Haul?

Christina:

I’m intrigued. I am captivated because I might get laid only at that wedding ceremony. But to date I’m not U-Hauling anywhere.

Drew:

Cool. That’s entirely reasonable. Totally reasonable. Okay. And that means you spend the entire wedding ceremony getting to know the other person. There is simply an immediate spark and immediate biochemistry. And certainly, you will do hook up while the gender is actually amazing.

Christina:

Tight.

Drew:

And thus this marriage was a student in Northern Ca. And that means you both extend the stays for a few times to shag and check out and consume at restaurants and screw. While provide to separate the expense of the today shared space, but she laughs you down and it is similar, „Obviously not, honey.“ Therefore the subsequent three days are secret. You feel your own walls tumbling all the way down. You’re slipping faster than you actually ever have actually. Would U-Haul?

Christina:

Thus only for clearness’s benefit, i am having a hard time picturing a world where we got three shock days from strive to hang out with a person i really do not understand. That looks bonkers. However if i did so, good for me personally. But I’m not U-Hauling at this time. It will be a no.

Drew:

Great. Okay. That is great. You just found. I have it. I get it. Okay.

Christina:

Thank you so much a whole lot.

Drew:

So she returns to ny and also you go back to Philadelphia.

Christina:

That’s where We stay.

Drew:

And you are texting continuously. That is where you live plus its in which this lady life. And you’re texting always and also you see each other several times monthly. She is extremely hectic along with her job, but she actually is rapid to purchase you a train ticket to help you appear see this lady and stay at the woman beautiful brownstone in Fort Greene. After which 6 months go. And something evening when you are off to dinner, she requires you to move around in together with her. Would U-Haul?

Christina:

And move to New York? I don’t really like nyc. No, I am not transferring during the half a year mark. I am not doing that, no.

Drew:

Okay, okay. Totally, completely, completely. Wow. Okay. Which means you hold internet dating cross country. She realizes that needed time and she’s willing to watch for you. A few more several months move. It really is now been over per year. Your own landlord informs you that they’re selling your house to a developer that is investing in apartments, so that you cannot renew it. You should get a hold of another destination. The now gf tells you that no pressure, but the woman present however stands. Would U-Haul?

Christina:

Okay. At this point, i might U-Haul for 2 reasons.

Drew:

Yay! Fine. Kindly tell us.

Christina:

Mainly, in a global for which my property manager marketed my house in order to develop it, my landlord happens to be my companion, so as that may seem like one thing has gone incorrect within our friendship. And I also must only keep Philadelphia in any event. Whenever I get to move in with my sweetheart over right here, that looks great. Which is fine. Completely okay. But yeah, I think i would require an external force like a mean property manager.

Drew:

That’s thus — ok. I did think that you might want to require property attain here, so I’m grateful I knew that.

Christina:

Yeah. That’s just what has got to happen to myself first.

Drew:

Well, I’m pleased to know what it’s going to take. Thus theoretically, if perhaps you weren’t knocked away, just how much more hours?

Christina:

Seriously, might have gone on for quite some time. Philly and ny commonly actually that far from one another. I obtained room over here. We’re jumping to and fro. We are having fun. I really could have try to let that roll for quite some time until i assume Shoshana can become the worst individual i understand.

Drew:

I didn’t realize that Shoshana owned your home. Well, there you choose to go.

Christina:

There we get. Wow, which was exciting.

Drew:

Well, many thanks for playing.

Christina:

I am stressed, are clear.

Drew:

And that I’m pleased that i understand… perhaps in case you are actually ever, so if anybody’s ever matchmaking you and desires one relocate, perhaps your own girlfriend informed Shoshana to market our home in the interests of the connection.

Christina:

Truthfully the fastest way — someone would just have to keep in touch with Shoshana and get like, „Just kick their aside.“ Right after which she’d be like, „Yeah, certain. Obviously.“ That would be the way it occurred, though she don’t promote the home. Someone would you need to be like, „are you able to merely stop the lady away very she will only conquer it and relocate beside me?“ And she would state yes. Double she would accomplish that. That’s what friendship is actually.

Drew:

I really like that.

Christina:

Yeah, that’s really breathtaking.

Drew:

Well, i’m like we learned many in regards to you.

Christina:

Cheers. I believe like I learned many about myself personally, as well. Threat of homelessness is actually the thing that helps to keep me personally transferring any circumstance, i suppose. Wow.

Drew:

Well, that is fantastic.

Christina:

Which was really thrilling. I am similarly delighted to maneuver into our primary part because i do believe writing about lesbian connection with this guest, with this unique visitor, i believe it will be remarkable, Drew. How have you been feeling?

Drew:

I’m so excited. It is a specialist. By that, after all an

L Keyword

expert, but in addition some an expert for the topic accessible.

Christina:

I do believe two things are genuine, my pal. I think a couple of things is generally correct undoubtedly. Can we should introduce our visitor or will we desire the guest to introduce on their own?

Drew:

I’d love our very own guest to introduce herself.

Christina:

Guest.

Drew:

I’ll claim that our guest is the only Riese Bernard.

Christina:

Guest, talk.

Riese:

Hi, I Am Riese. Which is weird becoming the visitor!

Christina:

Yeah, it really is.

Riese:

I experienced not to state something. I didn’t actually get it done. I did so say circumstances. I experienced to sit down right here calmly.

Christina:

And you were truly fearless. Plus confronts happened to be appreciated.

Riese:

Thank you a great deal.

Christina:

Though this is certainly demonstrably an audio average, Needs our listeners to understand that Riese was actually making some very nice effect faces during „Would U-Haul.“

Riese:

Absolutely numerous ways become heard. You-know-what after all? That’s what i say. I will be the President of Autostraddle.com. And that I’m additionally on an undefeated kickball team. That is certainly me personally. We have your dog called Carol. And that I have actually dated folks.

Christina:

Congrats on the kickball!

Riese:

Many thanks. I’ve been involved with folks.

Christina:

Great. Adoring that. That’s fantastic to carry to the, this right here online dating podcast. That is great.

Riese:

Yeah. I do believe that… Is there anything else?

Drew:

No, I think which is fantastic, Riese.

Christina:

Whatever you wish to discuss.

Riese:

I really like raspberries, the fruit raspberries, and pools.

Christina:

Compared to…

Riese:

You Are Aware an individual goes like…

Drew:

Its like when you strike. Yeah.

Christina:

Oh. Those tend to be terrible, so I simply just exhausted all of them from my personal mind.

Riese:

Yeah. And that’s all.

Christina:

Great.

Drew:

Really, I right away looked at you for this subject.

Christina:

That is true.

Drew:

Because firstly, certainly, queer women and non-binary people in lesbian neighborhood are like, I don’t know, having sexual intercourse with folks who people they know had gender with since a long time before

The L Word

was actually a sequence. But i really do feel like

The L Keyword

solidified a specific cultural idea of the data with Alice Pieszecki. And so I felt like might have most understanding of this topic.

Riese:

It is correct. A couple of experts, i wish to say, of

The L Keyword

had this genuine chart of them as well as their friends they certainly were attracting on wall structure or whatever. And Guinevere Turner, In my opinion, ended up being one. She spoke to you about any of it, which they had built this. Because obviously, everybody else in that journalist’s place had fucked people from inside the author — you understand, therefore the extensive internet of these generation of lesbians in l . a .. And they also watched that and they certainly were like, „Let’s put it for the tv series.“ Several ones are on the information. Like, one particular which … like, real individuals are throughout the information as a joke.

Christina:

Which is amazing. That’s the manner in which you learn you have made it.

Riese:

Is not that sexy?

Christina:

That will be thrilling for me personally.

Riese:

And for those who haven’t viewed

The L Term,

to begin with, congrats. Second, it will become the centerpiece of one your lead figure, Alice’s, apartment. This lady has everything over her wall surface. Looked after is the name of a webpage which they began labeled as ourchart.com that flopped. And the idea … And it’s in the pilot, I think. Inside initial event, Alice begins discussing exactly how everyone’s connected, because everybody’s connected because of this individual. And I can hook up you, as you’re probably a maximum of two degrees from the me personally. And that had been true. Like, despite having Dana, that has very limited knowledge because she ended up being a closeted playing tennis player, they however managed to hook up the girl. That is certainly real life because it’s genuine.

Christina:

Which is culture. Yeah. That is what society seems like.

Riese:

That’s society. That is queer tradition there. And then everybody tends to make their charts.

Christina:

Yeah. To make certain that was going to end up being my personal next concern, had been have actually either of you made a chart? Because Really don’t believe You will find, and I am method of now thinking like, that which was this a year ago resting at my home for if I don’t create a chart? Like, that which was the purpose of that, really?

Riese:

I believe i have completed it in my own record, in the same way like … Because I like, I don’t know, planning information, i suppose, as an idea physical exercise.

Christina:

Yeah, i do believe that’s additionally the reason why i will be amazed that You will findn’t accomplished it. I like the notion of categorizing things.

Riese:

Correct. Yeah. Since it is fascinating. I don’t know precisely why it is so fascinating, however it is. It really is fascinating become like, wow, many of these men and women, they can be linked. Its untamed.

Drew:

On the tv series, once ourchart.com is actually created, they’ve a genuine information that individuals can truly add material. And I feel just like something that you joked in regards to on

To L and Back,

now men and women state constantly is similar to, if this existed in a genuine means, no-one would place their particular brands about it, not one person would feel at ease putting their own brands upon it.

Riese:

Might.

Drew:

I might. I’d be extremely okay with-it current. I would personally never add someone else without their permission. Nevertheless concept of love, anytime someone ended up being like, „make sure you will be connected with me,“ I’d end up like, „Yeah, oahu is the existence i have lived. I don’t worry about.“ Is strange? Is the fact that difficulty?

Christina:

No, since if I happened to ben’t, i’d feel poor not-being … i might wind up as, „hold off, I’m not on it? Like, i am sorry, just what?“ No, that will in fact deliver me personally into a light ethical anxiety about which i will be as someone, the things I’m performing. Am we interesting? Would individuals {like
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